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handheld+shaky=realistic (realistic=$$$$)

Posted by AlmightyHans - July 7th, 2008


Hans Van Harken (3:49:02 AM): i'm news posting this
ZekeySpaceLizard(3:49:25 AM): !

peoples brains lately work like a 3 part addition problem

this+this+this=good

i also noticed it in watching "Hancock" and i see why people don't seem to mind this excessively shaky cam lately After seeing somethign like hancock i know why it's so important to hold a shot and frame a shot right, because each shot of any movie needs to tell the viewer something, and if the director isn't clearly displaying what's going on he/she is telling me that he/she doesn't have a clear idea what to tell.

Within this massive super power fight i just pick up on:

-kick
-punch
-launch
-fly punch.

i only pick up on those things but i don't see HOW he kicks him, HOW he punches him, HOW everything is happening. i literall tried just zoning out in the theatre. there were many times, even outside of action sequences where i was just giving up and loosing my breath from the exhaustion, because of keeping my eyes in focus on these mammoth shaky close ups. So i felt experimental and just let the light flow through my eyeballs and i could actually pick up on things more. even though it was just a BUNCH of colors and blurrs telling me "kick punch kick kick fly" in a way, just zoning out and not analyzing made it easier to watch.

i'm mainly talking about the action sequences of course, although the normal sequences were just about as tiresome for me. i concluded with the fact that most people don't watch movies, they see movies.

watch: look at or observe attentively.

see: perceive with eyes.

i think there is a CAMERA MAN STRIKE or something but they just wont tell us and they're highering any average joe to pick up a camera. Seriously, i mean, what's with the constant close ups, handheld close ups that aren't even framed correctly. Close ups are used for moments of intense emotion that a director wants the actor to transmit his/her feeling directly into the souls of the audience. I don't think that 99.72% of the time during "Hancock" Hancock was experiencing some kind of extreme intense emotion at that moment relating to what's going on with his surroundings that we really needed to feel ourselves.

also, i adore handheld, but i think the nickname for it "shaky cam" gave directors the inspiration to actually intentionally shake the camera to make it obvious something is handheld. the only reason one does handheld is to have the freedom to move within the actors and place the audience almost like another character in there in the movie. but that doesn't mean you should avoid keeping the camera steady and setting clear focus points and stuff.

I've heard somewhere someone pointing out that "handheld gives movies a more realistic look because the camera acts like a human eye" I've thought about that and i actually think that a handheld (like the abusively unsteady ones lately) actually makes it more obvious that the presence of a camera man is there between the actors. simply because the fact that someone is constantly focusing, and stepping around the actors, and zooming in on unimportant things to what's going on... basically looking for you, makes it more obvious that you're looking through a camera.

I think people are mislead by the "realism" factor that a handheld camera brings, it's not because it's like a human eye, it's because documentaries mainly are shot handheld because of production values or because they might be pissing someone off by filming them so they have to run. and because documentaries are about printing truth and facts onto film, when you see a fiction shot in the same way, it gives the illusion of a documentary.

in a way, the viewers are wrapping their lips around these film maker's ass while they take a dump into their mouths, and wash down the taste with popcorn and soda. maybe twislers, too.

anyways, that's my pointless rant. I mean no offenses... yada yada :D

oh and, hancock wasn't a terrible movie. i thought it touched some interesting subjects, but the way it was filmed just didn't allow me to enjoy it. and i think at this point, it's not even a matter of taste, it's just filmed very bad. and of course, in the end this is only my opinion :)

-HVH

p.s. ZekeySpaceLizard(3:44:02 AM): hancock - charlize theron = decent

handheld+shaky=realistic (realistic=$$$$)


Comments

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but how can that be?
look what love gave us....
a world full of killing
and blood spilling that world never caaaame

AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO CAN SAVE US
WATCH AS WE ALL FLY AWAY
i'll hold onto the wings of the eagles
watch as we all fly awaaaaay

and they're watchin us
WATCHIN
they're watchin us
WATCHIN
and we all FLY AWAAAAAAYYYY

and they're WATCHIN us
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Me no read that.

haha! i think i pick up sarcasm. if so, clever. :P

I saw me some Hancock, but only a little because the people in fronts heads were filmed in the shots and i couldn't see no cock behind them :(

heh. dickbutt. :)

Is that pic even real?

yes

I saw Hancock 2 days ago and i understand what youre talking about.
The shaky cam crap really stood out during the introduction sequence (ruining the awesomeness of first seeing a drunk superhero in action) and some other action sequences.
Stealing the cinema verite style while not incorporating the main element that gives reason to that style (that the person holding the camera is a character) is just full of ME TOO bandwagonism bullshit.

;vD

Hans + SuperLongNewsPost = People only getting the topic.

:3

tehslaphappy+hans= boner :3

Then who is that.Sorry but TL;DR

That black guys ripped

8D eep!

holy shit that pic is gross

No, that pic isn't real.
If this would be real, this guy would be really famous.
But I saw a guy with a "little" smaller muscles, and he was
called "A Man with the biggest muscles in the world".
So nyeh...

shaky = "Oh there's an amatuer guy with a camera"

the eye is really responsive, i think that realism can be found in first person games like BioShock, that game makes me feel like I'm in the environment. Also, Portal and Half-Life 2 have the life like response of the human mind and eye responding to each other.

Shaky has become some kind of band wagon thing that the Bourne movies made cool. Except they do it right. lol

haha yes! also, first person games only work cause the guy is basically in the camera man's boots but in control and can point the camera where ever he wants. in the movies it's like watching someone play a very shaky first person game, in which you don't have control of what you want to look at and someone is looking for you. except movies have cuts in them which makes it even more dizzy.

@ danomano65: They make it right? The shaky cam was one of those things, that was critisized the most in the third part of Bourne. Some said, it almost made them puke, others said, it was so exaggerated, they felt like being on a fucked up rollercoaster!

In my personal opinion, the shaky-cam was well placed in Cloverfield. The reason is obvious. Not the best movie, but the "shakeness" suited it.

Other than that, I agree with Hans, so @ TheAlmighty:
I enjoyed reading this post, man. :)

i don't think cloverfield fits this conversation honestly, because the way that movie is shot is part of the story, it's about the camera in the situation it's in really. But i can see your point. What i mean though, is just the basic cinematography of the way a movie is shot to make the watching smooth and seemingless so that you can get taken into the story.

i'm glad you enjoyed reading this post.

ur cocasian, and why did krinkels kill u?

...

lol whats with the pic?

oh, how I hated Hancock. There's a reason the trailers only show clips from the first half-hour of the movie-- because after that it trips over itself and rolls steadily downhill thereafter. IT COULD'VE BEEN SO GREAT. So clever and original, the kind of movie I THOUGHT I had paid to see. But no. Alack.

also, your rtil movie was amazing. <3